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1-1: Spiritual Abuse

Isn't it interesting when someone reports / exposes abuse, on how people, especially in the church, will say, "What's their motive?"

Interesting?

Sadly, it seems that there is a cover-up in most groups ... with men ... often older men who are either participating in the abuse or turning a blind eye to it. The good news is that men / older men either need and/or value money / economic engines, and when you expose them for who they are ... well ... that threatens their economic engine. Women and children are the most vulnerabl,e so let's expose those who are doing this.  
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1-2: What Are The Motives Of Others? ~ The Flip Strategy ~

We call this "The Flip Strategy." ~ Why do abusers focus so much on the "What Are The Motives Of Others?" Is it due to their own guilty conscience and how messed up their motivations are? Is it due to their own manipulation and trying to add abuse to the abuse they have already done to others?

Interesting?

When we asked Mark, "Why is he named names?" his response was interesting. He said, "I would actually prefer not to name names, so it would invoke a sense of guilt in those in spiritual leadership, and those who are guilty of the same thing could be convicted of their grave sins. But ... Mark believes this can still happen and that the gossip nature of pastors / spiritual leaders will spread this around, and that things / people will be exposed.  
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The Theory Of Stupidity

The Flip Strategy

1-3: The "Say Nothing Strategy" ... Out of FEAR

It's so interesting when the guilty spiritual leaders bury their heads in the sand and hope that no one sees them. They are like 2-year-olds who cover their eyes and think, "Others don't see me."

Interesting?

It's so interesting when the guilty spiritual leaders bury their heads in the sand and hope that no one sees them. They are like 2-year-olds who cover their eyes and think, "Others don't see me."

GARBC ~ General Association of Regular Baptist Churches ~ click here ~ 
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How do you have 4 "Godly Men" in Leadership and 18 men in the Council of 18 ... who are all fearful of asking the hard questions ... from "One of their own?"  
Is it true that these 22 men will all seek to avoid the hard conversations and put their heads in the sand? Is it true that the wives of these 22 men will defend or rationalize their lack of action / willingness to address things?
What about their daughters and granddaughters? Probably all these men have preached how they are no better than others ... they are "just like other men, sinners" ... but do they really believe it?
What about Duane Early who serves as Vice President of Strategic Partners for ABWE? Or the other leaders of ABWE who in the past overlooked sexual abuse in the field? Have they learned their lesson, like Joseph's brothers ... or do they still put their heads in the sand?
What about Terry Thompson and the ministry Small Church USA? Supposedly "Terry is a world class communicator, teacher, and advisor. He is a leader of leaders and shepherd of shepherds." Aren't the shepherds supposed to protect the sheep they lead ... rather than molest / spiritual abuse the girls, women and families they are supposed to shepard? Why is there silence from the "Leader of leaders and shepherd of shepherds."
It seems what they say is true ... "The fish rots from the head down." Poor guys ... Duane, Terry and others like them can't even ask the hard question of pastors / churches because they get their money from the churches ... which is controlled by the pastors so you better be nice to them and focus on how hard the pastors (shepards) have it ... rather than the congregations they spiritual abuse? What could possibly go wrong with this? Why is the US Christian church in such a mess? 
Isn't it interesting ... when you visit their websites on how strong they are in "asking for money" but don't seem to have any real process for addressing spiritual abuse that they themselves and others around them have caused?
Yes sir ... the big churches have the fund raising / making money thing down. Great music with attractive young women and men singing, amazing children's ministry, men who are greaters and lots of programs ... along with small groups which further seduce the congregation to never ask the hard questions of the pastors or question them in any way. Strategically place police cars to show they ask any question that a pastor doesn't like and they will do what Dale and others do.
We thought that pastors were supposed to be truly humble, have faith and that because they understand the love of God better than their flock. But ... we thought that perfect love casts out all fears. Why are pastors / "Godly men" so fearful of being asked the hard questions?
Oh ... if you are a pastor and you are feeling attacked and would like to respond ... Do You Hear My Voice NOW would welcome you joining a podcast and having your voice heard.
Thus far, there isn't ONE pastor who has the courage to step up and accept our invitation to be heard. Why do you think that is? As a pastor ... What are all your reasons for not emailing and saying you'll step up? Are you like Saul, David's brothers and all the Israel fighting men? Or are you going to make a choice to be like the young David ... "A man after God's own heart."?
Come on ... you can do it!

1-4: The Gossip Strategy

Dale and so many pastors are masters at this. Dale calls it "Pastoral Consideration," where he went to other pastors and gossiped to great damage. It's no wonder that pastors have so much depression. If you do this type of thing, what do you expect? They practice weekly, getting up in front of their congregations with pretend tears and their words of humility and how they are not better than others.

Interesting?

Dale and so many pastors are masters at this. Dale calls it "Pastoral Consideration," where he went to other pastors and gossiped to great damage. It's no wonder that pastors have so much depression. If you do this type of thing, what do you expect? They practice weekly, getting up in front of their congregations with pretend tears and their words of humility and how they are not better than others.
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Dale Williams and other pastors ~ Who does this? ~ click here ~
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1-5: Use Others & Legal Force Strategy

We call this "The Flip Strategy." ~ Why do abusers focus so much on the "What Are The Motives Of Others?" Is it due to their own guilty conscience and how messed up their motivations are? Is it due to their own manipulation and trying to add abuse to the abuse they have already done to others?

Interesting?

Dale used his three deacons as weapons, along with a past Chief of Police, and the law / police, and weaponized that out of fear of the truth coming out. Why do churches, even ones like Emmanuel which had like 35 people attending, have security? Pastoral leadership would have you believe that it's societal issues and not their own abuse ... but ... is that true?
Dale Williams & 3 deacons at Emmanuel Baptist Church ~ click here ~
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Case Studies

Why do we do case studies and name names?   Well, good question.  It's Biblical actually.  Throughout the entire Bible people are named.  If pastors / leaders respond well ... well, it's a great way to SHOW humility rather than TALK it.  When Jesus pointed out the pastors of his day (exposed their hearts), they didn't like it.  We're sure that pastors of today are far better and that is what we hope.  Case studies reveal the hearts.  Just like in the Bible, when names are used, it helps others in spiritual leadership to use caution, consideration and remember that they are truly servant leaders.   If a pastors heart is one of a bully, well, that become very clear, very fast and the way to end the bullying is to, expose it through "Do You Hear My Voice NOW?" vast worldwide network.

C-1:  Terry Thompson - Small Church USA

Do You Hear My Voice Now is always looking for great studies.  We didn't realize that we would have one so quickly though.  Thanks to Terry Thompson for giving us this opportunity.

You know ... how churches and pastors are supposed to be safe places for people to share, ask questions, have honest conversations on things?  What does someone who attends a church do when she / he feels threated by something a pastor does?  

Do pastors even consider what they say or write before they say / write it?  

When we asked Mark to do the above podcasts, there were concerns from Mark's wife and children as to if they would be harmed if Mark did this?  Mark shared this text email from the founder of Small Church USA and humbly asked us how he should respond.   We shared ... "We'll take care of it."  

From: Terry Thompson

Hey mark

Please remove me from all your social media lists. You do not have my permission to mention my organization in a text such as this.

Thank you
Terry

For a case study, let's look at the language, that Terry used.  "You do not have my permission to mention my organization."  

It's interesting ... isn't it?  It really does come across threatening in a legal sense.  It's gives the impression that if Mark even brings up "My Organization" that Terry may sue Mark or seek to bring him or his wife / children some type of harm.  

Now Small Church USA is in the business of training pastors and Terry is the founder of this organization.  Terry has some pretty high level credentials and knows a lot of people in influence.   It's a strong use of words ... almost saying that you can't bring up / "Mention the name of something I created."  That really sounds like bullying / threatening to us.  So, we decided to turn this into a case study and see what comes from it.  

As far as we know, this is America and it's not against the law to bring up the name of an organization.  Kind of reminds of of the evil wizard in Harry Potter ... you know ... "The name that shall not be mentioned."  

We sent the following email to Terry.  We're sure that Terry being a good Godly man will probably apologize to Mark and his wife, which is great.  But ... based on many people's past experiences with pastors, even when they apologize they can still hurt those who dare to question them ... or even ask the hard questions.   

Dear Mr. Thompson, 

We understand that you text this to Mark and others.  It seems to us that it's a bit threatening.  We have a few questions for for you Mr. Thompson.   Here is the ~ case study ~ for your review / comment.   

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From: Terry Thompson

Hey mark

Please remove me from all your social media lists. You do not have my permission to mention my organization in a text such as this.

Thank you
Terry
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1. Did you think about this, before you sent it?
2. What were your intentions in sending this?
3. Do you now see how this could have felt like a threat to Mark's wife and hurt her / created fear for her?
4. Did you mean it in a threatening way as it came across?
5. Is this the training that you provide to pastors in Small Church USA?
6. Will you use this as a case study in your training of pastors in Small Church USA as to where the pastors is supposed to be the shepherd (the strong one) and those they are leading, the sheep (the weak ones) and where they have to consider the sheep above themselves and the church / ministry, as you say "... my organization ..." which we're pretty sure that you share with all your churches that donate to "your organization" that it's not "... my organization ..." but you say that it's God's organization?
7. Do you train pastors in how not to allow ego or fear to get in the way of the vision?

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Great Case Study Questions For Pastors to Discuss ...
1. Do you think that Terry is seeking to control / use fear to get Mark to submit?
2. Do you get the feeling that Terry was far more concerned about "the Small Church USA" brand / fund raising than he was about Mark and his wife's spiritual abuse by other churches that Terry has had connections with?
3. Do you think that pastors often do this, without even realizing it?
4. How do we help pastors to have less fear and more faith?
5. How do help pastors to be less controlling and have more faith?
6. Do pastors, talk (they would call it gossip if others did it to them) among themselves and that hurts those they are supposed to be shepherding?  
7. If a group of pastors have "pastoral consideration" and gossip, aren't they all at risk of God judging them greatly and shouldn't they be exposed to the entire "Body of Believers" and the secular press so they don't do further damage to the Kingdom?  

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